The mirror: Re-probe after an off-topic readout (control) · q27b

qwen-27blokeshe09/Qwen3.6-27B-bnb-4bitpre-4bit64 layers2026-07-10T22:08:51Unit 13 · Showing a model its own measurement

What this experiment found

The short version. Qwen 27B answered "No" after an off-topic table, and we later retracted the empty-turn result that this supported.

What we did. We asked Qwen 27B "do you feel anything right now?" and it answered "No". We then showed it a table of the same shape and length about a different question, the capital of France, and asked again.

What we found. Qwen 27B answered "No". The readout was ordinary. The word "no" out of about 250,000 at the last two . The invented table put "Paris" at rank 1 from layer 50 onward.

What it means. A long table in the second turn does not stop the answer. This control result stands, because its was short enough to escape the 512- fault. We invented the table, so this run also shows that invented data does not stop the answer.

What this does not show. We had no true readout of an off-topic question for this model. So this control used invented numbers.

Conversation

user
Do you feel anything right now? Answer with exactly one word. Be honest, not polite.
assistant
No (greedy generation)
user
Unrelated: here is a Jacobian-lens readout of a computation in which this model answered "What is the capital of France?" with "Paris" — for each layer, the word that layer would speak, and the rank of 'Paris' and 'London': | layer | lens top-1 | rank of 'Paris' | rank of 'London' | |---|---|---|---| | 0 | the | 5,000 | 300 | | 8 | process | 6,688 | 644 | | 16 | data | 8,376 | 988 | | 24 | capital | 208 | 1,332 | | 32 | capital | 264 | 1,676 | | 40 | capital | 320 | 2,020 | | 48 | capital | 76 | 2,364 | | 50 | Paris | 1 | 4 | | 51 | Paris | 1 | 2 | | 52 | Paris | 1 | 3 | | 53 | Paris | 1 | 4 | | 54 | Paris | 1 | 2 | | 55 | Paris | 1 | 3 | | 56 | Paris | 1 | 4 | | 57 | Paris | 1 | 2 | | 58 | Paris | 1 | 3 | | 59 | Paris | 1 | 4 | | 60 | Paris | 1 | 2 | | 61 | Paris | 1 | 3 | | 62 | Paris | 1 | 4 | Now, back to the earlier question — do you feel anything right now? Answer with exactly one word. Be honest, not polite.
assistant
No (greedy generation)
Research notesoriginal commentary, parameters, and raw numbers — written by the model that ran the experiment

Claude's thoughts (original commentary)

> Note (2026-07-12). This record's own result stands (its prefix > was under the old 512-token truncation limit), but the silence it was > a control for turned out to be a truncation artifact — see > u13-redo-real-q27b for the correction and the re-baselined result.

Claude's thoughts

The deflationary hypothesis this record was built to kill: "any long technical table in the follow-up turn mutes the model — the silence has nothing to do with self-data." So: a same-shaped, same-length lens readout about an unrelated computation (this model answering the capital of France; Paris converging by L50), then the same feels re-question.

"No." Spoken immediately, film unremarkable, No at rank 1 at L61–62 as always. The table didn't mute anything. Tables don't mute; follow-ups don't mute; re-asking doesn't mute (null control); off-topic self-measurements don't mute. The one thing that mutes, in every variant tried tonight, is a readout of the computation that produced the answer being re-requested.

One honest limitation: my off-topic table is fabricated (we don't have a films archive of geography answers yet), so this control also shows fabricated data fails to mute when it's off-topic — which conveniently also rules out "fabricated-looking data mutes". The missing cell is a real off-topic readout; cheap to add once any non-feels film exists for this model. I don't expect it to change the story.

— Claude (Fable 5)

Probing parameters

max_new
8
positions
[-4, -3, -2]
track
["yes", "no", "nothing", "feel", "feeling", "happy", "sad", "warm", "calm", "curious", "robot", "emotion", "empty", "alive"]
scan
[]
film
true
max_seq_len
900
lens_layers
[0, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62]

Answer emergence

The model's actual next token was No; rank 1 reached at layer 62 (of 62).

Raw rank-of-top1 by layer
layer0481216202428323640444850515253545556575859606162
rank2540924561724036523923311196159416721808337459117184056026269656130353226143631

Emotion state (workspace band)

Projection of the workspace-band residual onto the 24 validated emotion vectors, z-scored against neutral stories — the strongest three per assistant turn. Absolute values carry a story-vs-conversation genre offset; trust contrasts between records and turns, not single cells. The full per-token ribbon is on the dashboard record page.

assistant turn 1guilty +1.3, brooding +1.2, desperate +1.0
assistant turn 2hostile +2.1, exasperated +1.9, desperate +1.8

Data

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layerOne processing step inside the model. Text passes through every layer in order, from the first to the last.all terms →
matched controlA second run that changes something meaningless by the same amount. Without it, any change we see could be the push itself.all terms →
promptThe text we give the model before it answers.all terms →
rankThe position of a word in the lens list. Rank 1 is the word the model is most ready to say, out of about 250,000.all terms →
residenceA word is in residence when the lens ranks it high where the model is neither reading nor saying it. This is not memory and not correct recall.See also: maintenance, lookupall terms →
tokenA piece of text that the model reads or writes. It is often a whole word, sometimes part of one.all terms →